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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:14:00 -
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No cargo expanders in lows? PASS |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
363
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:27:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:No that is why that ganked the question is why should they sacrifice their yield.
The current state of the game, what with the Hulk killing payouts, presents a choice: Fit tank and make yourself a hard/unattractive target, or fit for yield and die in a blaze the moment a gank fit Catalyst finds you.
These fits are proof that you have a CHOICE, and that the loss of your shitfit Hulk is not a result of game imbalances, but a result of your greed overriding your common sense. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:39:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Choice. Did you know that a hulk gives a 15 % bonus to yield (at level 5) So wouldn't it make more sense to just fly a Covetor then worry about tanking a Hulk ?
15% from the Exhumers skill at V and 15% from Mining Barge V. You don't even know how your own ships work. Also 37.5% to shield resistances at Exhumers V - funny, that looks like a TANK skill to me, almost as if it's what your ship was meant to do?
Just the same, if a Covetor provides even yield and less risk, then it's...wait for it..YOUR CHOICE!
Simetraz wrote:And if Hulks don't belong in high-sec then CCP should ban ALL T2 and T3 ships from high-sec. They really have no business being there. In fact we should prevent them from even being made in high-sec.
Ban Strat Cruisers and Marauders from L4 missions and Macks from mining Ice AFK?
This'd be the funniest thing ever. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:58:00 -
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Spikeflach wrote:Furthermore, Reducing yield is like fittinig more tank on your PvP ship at the expense of dps. I believe the PvP trend is mostly to have the right amount of dps otherwise your fit is gimped.
Even if that were true (it's not, entirely. Different fleet compositions can serve entirely different purposes), it'd be seen as an acceptable sacrifice, i.e. part of the game. Anyone who PVP's knows that if you sacrifice your tank for anything else (sacrificing a shield tank for better lock times/tackle, or an armor tank for more DPS/mobility), you make yourself squishier, and you act accordingly.
That's the big fundamental difference between the two attitudes. PVP'ers make balance sacrifices all the time, and it's seen as a matter of course. Miners, on the other hand, go full gank (yield) while ignoring the tank bonus of their chosen ship and then scream about imbalances when they end up easy to gank because of it.
(note: I'm also not really telling YOU this, as I'm pretty sure you get it. This is more of a general screed for the dumbs that post **** like "WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO SACRIFICE YIELD"). |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.01 19:49:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:. That DG Thermic field is like 70M. "Gank me!" should be proper name for that Hulk.
You're right about the rest of the fit (hint: look at the title of the ship, it's a troll), but DG non-Invulns aren't that expensive, like 20mil maybe (I just checked the DG Thermic, it's 8mil, the others are different though). They're just T2 equivalents with lower fitting requirements. I used them on my ratting Drakes before my fitting skills were up to snuff. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.01 19:57:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Wow someone doesn't bother to log in to check prices, it's 10m Where do you think I got that 70M from if not in game. 70M is lowest in Jita.
8 million is Jita price. I checked it moments ago (I bought my DG therms when faction loot was still on contract months ago). You're the worst at Eve ever.
http://i.imgur.com/oceXH.jpg There's a screenshot for fun, taken just moments ago (check Eve time)
The only DG shield hardeners that are worth anything are the Invulns, since they're the only ones that have better actual stats than T2. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.01 20:13:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Well, it's quite difficult to see Jita market prices ingame where my main is...
Currently can only see prices in Domain.
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Where do you think I got that 70M from if not in game. 70M is lowest in Jita.
Hisec miners deliberately lying and being completely uneducated about things relating to tanks? Well I never! |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.01 20:22:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Haven't mined for over month now. Still waiting a brave ganker to gank my Hulk tanked with shield buffer and station. 20M (+ 100M from Goons) easy money but no one is interested.
How could you tell if they were if you haven't mined in a month? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.01 20:41:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Because most highsec miners don't have an alliance to protect them and seem to think they dont need to pay attention.
0.0 Hulks don't need any tank because they
Monitor local Watch adjacent systems Have massive bubble camps on all in-routes Have a defensive fleet to kill hostile before they get there Watch D-Scan
If Highsec miners did any of this they wouldn't need to compromise on yield either, but they don't.
I seriously love seeing highsec pubbies talking about life in nullsec.
Hint: the only of those things that actually happens on a regular basis is the first one. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
363
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Posted - 2012.06.01 20:43:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Snow Axe wrote:How could you tell if they were if you haven't mined in a month? It's still on station in Brazinget... somewhere there. If someone destroys it I think it shouldn't be appearing in assets after search.
ahahahaha, on station in a highsec system. I wonder why nobody's ganked it yet derp derp |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.01 20:51:00 -
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Spikeflach wrote:Maybe its wrong to try to compare PvP with mining. As most people don't go out in a hulk expecting to engage in combat with another player...
If there should be a comparison, then it should be the fact that PvP ships should fit more tank along the lines that you'll survive longer and have less of a chance of being "alphad".
There is some grounds of people asking why yield should be sacrificed, when people are saying that it has to be sacrificed in every portion of eve.
PVP was just a convenient example and the one that changes the most. It's the same in other aspects as well, though - Missioners have to strike a balance between tank and killing speed (depending on the mission and their own skills), as do complex people, wormhole people, anomaly runners, etc etc the list goes on. Even people hauling cargo through space have to strike a balance between cargo space and speed/agility, lest they make themselves easy targets.
Every single activity in Eve, PvE or PvP, has ship fitting balance as a Thing You Have To Deal With. Mining is no different, no matter what a highsec Hulk pilot would like you to believe.
Spikeflach wrote:I would also suggest that a very large amount of hi sec dwellers actually have vast amounts of knowledge of nullsec.
Guess what? They're null alts. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
363
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Posted - 2012.06.02 02:28:00 -
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Lina Alar wrote: That fit requires PG implants (just FYI).
Change one rig to an Ancillary Current Router and it fits easily, and you'll still have a 29k EHP omnitank (it's 32k EHP with both CDFE's). You could even upgrade the Shield extender to a Caldari Navy Medium shield (t2 equiv, easier fitting skills, 28mil in Jita), though that might have a negative effect as far as making you an attractive target for only 1k more EHP.
Also for whoever was whining about ECM drones, you can carry a rack of lights (Hornet EC-300) along with a rack of T2 Mining drones (or alternately a rack of any light drones alongside it). |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.12 11:27:00 -
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Yeah, how expensive - mods that cost a whole 10 million tops (MAPC II) on a T2 ship that costs several hundred million isk. Be reasonable guys!
Also really, expecting people to have fitting skills on a character that flies T2 ships? Come on, now! That's just downright ~silly~ |
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